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End of NCFC 2012
onpon4 Offline
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RE: End of NCFC 2012
Personally, I think it's unfair and silly to judge ROM hacks separately from other fangames, and it's even sillier to do this because of effort involved, as if these two broad categories properly represent differing difficulty of development.

On the side of ROM hacks, some games are going to be easier to hack than others. Super Mario World, for example, is going to be especially easy in this department, compared to hacking, for example, some random obscure NES game, or even Super Mario Bros, thanks to Lunar Magic.

It's even more varied on the side of other fangames. On the low end, you have games that use Hello's SMB engine or even regular Hello Engine. But even without those, a Game Maker game is a lot easier to develop than a Java or C++ game.

Comparing all of the games, using Hello Engine is going to be much easier than hacking Super Mario Bros to change the levels. I don't think I need to explain why C++ from the ground up is harder than hacking Super Mario World.

So really, ROM hacks should be judged exactly like other fangames, rather than attempting to make it "fair" by segregating them or excluding one.
(This post was last modified: 10-20-2013 02:12 PM by onpon4.)
11-17-2012 09:22 PM
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Post: #22
RE: End of NCFC 2012
The judges worked hard to find out what to award each category. The purple coin won not because of a bias towards Mario games but it was fun and something unique, offering a different experience than all the other fan games. This event is suppose to be fun for everyone and if the awards are going to cause controversy over what the judges thought were fair choices every year then perhaps its time to rethink the concept of awards if people think the judges are 'snuffing' certain games.
11-18-2012 01:04 PM
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onpon4 Offline
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RE: End of NCFC 2012
I think part of the problem is that the award is called "best of show", which sounds to me like what was most recognized. An award with this title should really be based on something mostly objective, like how much discussion the games had or how many reviews they got, and there should be an explanation for it in cases where it's difficult to choose. Then you could have a "judges' pick" which is more like this year's "best of show", and maybe split the "judges' picks" into several categories, like "most unique".

Or, you can have a simple "honorable mentions" (around 5 of them) instead of trying to determine what's "best" to make it feel less competitive.

Honestly, one of the big issues this year (and maybe last year, I'm not sure) was a severe lack of activities. There was "fight night", some live gameplay, and the workshops, but the rest of the time, there was just trailers being looped on Livestream. this meant that there were a lot of occasions where there was just nothing to do on NCFC.

Other than having more people streaming at Livestream, one thing I might propose is to change the "workshops" to "activities"; "workshops" seem to have a fixed purpose of acting like teaching sessions, and I think it's pretty obvious that you're not going to get many of those from the last 3 years.

Some tutorials on how to stream with LiveStream would also be a very good idea, even if they only show how to do it with one particular gratis program on Windows. I would be happy to personally volunteer to translate the Windows instructions to GNU/Linux instructions as well, if I can figure it out.

I also suggest having the site be designed for the next event much earlier than it was this year, maybe as early as January. There was no discussion about NCFC 2011 long after it ended, so there's not much point in keeping the forum open at that time, either; archive the 2012 discussions earlier and leave it locked with a single announcement telling the dates of the next event. Then you won't have people assuming that NCFC is dead and you also won't have all that spam the forum gets over the course of a year.

Anyway, that's just my thoughts. Take it or leave it.
(This post was last modified: 06-12-2013 06:44 PM by onpon4.)
11-18-2012 02:31 PM
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Post: #24
RE: End of NCFC 2012
I agree with the above statement.
I do think there should be much better planning, and also, announce the guidelines and booth registrations earlier. I was lucky enough to get ready in 3 days, I didn't even notice anything happened before that.

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11-18-2012 03:42 PM
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RE: End of NCFC 2012
(11-18-2012 02:31 PM)onpon4 Wrote:  Honestly, one of the big issues this year (and maybe last year, I'm not sure) was a severe lack of activities. There was "fight night", some live gameplay, and the workshops, but the rest of the time, there was just trailers being looped on Livestream. this meant that there were a lot of occasions where there was just nothing to do on NCFC.

Other than having more people streaming at Livestream, one thing I might propose is to change the "workshops" to "activities"; "workshops" seem to have a fixed purpose of acting like teaching sessions, and I think it's pretty obvious that you're not going to get many of those from the last 3 years.

Some tutorials on how to stream with LiveStream would also be a very good idea, even if they only show how to do it with one particular gratis program on Windows. I would be happy to personally volunteer to translate the Windows instructions to GNU/Linux instructions as well, if I can figure it out.

Part of the reason there were less Livestreams is because there were less participants Livestreaming. Besides myself, Seph streamed the first (and technically only) Fight Night, Geno streamed some games on Monday, and Elyk streamed some games later on, and one or two other one-offs. Compared to last year when I had a decent swarm of people who wanted to show their stuff on Livestream and would gladly take the whole day for me, this time I ended up taking more of the work than usual.

It really exhausted me, too. My typical plans for late-night streaming went down the tubes because I was streaming in the midday instead. I had many people tell me there wasn't any programming arranged for the European audiences, but what could I do about that when I had nothing to work with there?

To try to compensate for the lack of streamers I also arranged to play Pokemon Live, a fandub of the Mario anime movie, and episodes of the Power Team. These were all on-the-fly additions. If there were more participants maybe we could've done a MST3K-type snarking contest on these, but unfortunately things were quiet.

It also didn't help that some people, such as Emperor, had difficulty using streaming. I agree that tutorials for this may be a good idea down the line, but I don't make one myself because my setup is unorthodox compared to using Procaster - I use SCFH-DSF and FMLE to stream, and most people aren't familiar with the former at all.
11-18-2012 04:03 PM
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RE: End of NCFC 2012
Aside from streaming problems, I feel like there should be some system that gives some of the obscure projects a chance against the monster projects that have thousands of followers and have been around for awhile. For example, I only bothered to make that tech demo this year because AM2R wasn't in it, so there would be more of a reason to look at the other Metroid booths. If we had some way of giving the more obscure projects some attention and reviews, it would give more people an incentive to submit more booths. And more people means more activity/workshops/discussions/reviews/streamers/things to stream. Not every game is looked at, so some people feel like there is no reason to put a lot of effort into making some sort of demo or trailer. Also, maybe the deadline for booths should close a day or two away from the event so that things can be tested for streaming and general compatibility.

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