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onpon4 Offline
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#21
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Alright, I've registered a workshop for Friday. 3 hours because I hope to introduce both Python and Pygame. This should be interesting.

So, how is webstreaming going to work for workshops?
(This post was last modified: 11-09-2012, 10:57 AM by onpon4.)
11-09-2012, 10:55 AM
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#22
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If you can desktop cam (Whether using LiveStream ProCaster or whatever home tools you have) and have a microphone and will most definitely be available at that time, I can give you broadcaster privileges and you should be good to go.
11-09-2012, 02:14 PM
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(11-09-2012, 02:14 PM)KiddoCabbusses Wrote: If you can desktop cam (Whether using LiveStream ProCaster or whatever home tools you have) and have a microphone and will most definitely be available at that time, I can give you broadcaster privileges and you should be good to go.

When writing this, I realized that I will most definitely not be available on Friday, so I changed it to Wednesday.

I have a microphone (well, a webcam with a built-in microphone, but I can't do better at the moment) and I will most definitely be available at the new time unless a tornado comes in and tears the house down, but I don't have any programs that can do what you call "desktop cam"ing, just desktop recorders (recordMyDesktop, RecordItNow, and Istanbul; I'm not aware of any streaming functionality in any of these programs). Does anyone know of one of a program that can "desktop cam" that works (natively, no Wine) on GNU/Linux? I can use Windows as a last resort, but it's a pretty big inconvenience and I'd also prefer not to for personal reasons.
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11-09-2012, 04:01 PM
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#24
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VLC might have the capability. A quick google search gives me this http://grok.lsu.edu/article.aspx?articleid=14625

Can't really test it at the moment, but it'll be worth looking into I'm sure
11-09-2012, 04:04 PM
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(11-09-2012, 04:04 PM)Kesha Wrote: VLC might have the capability. A quick google search gives me this http://grok.lsu.edu/article.aspx?articleid=14625

Well, that is not the program I expected that from.

Now the question is, how do I test it?

EDIT: Well, I think I've figured out how to test it, and it seems to me like Livestream only allows you to use their proprietary Windows-and-Mac-only program that they give away.

Any way I could use a different service (assuming I can figure out how to use one of them)?
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11-09-2012, 04:15 PM
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Make your own (dummy) channel on Livestream and have a witness help you out, I'd propose.
11-09-2012, 04:44 PM
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#27
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I did that, and I'm not seeing any option to use anything other than the proprietary Windows-and-Mac-only program they give away. Is there any way I could use a different service? (I'm currently exploring Ustream, Twitch.tv, and Justin.tv to see if any of them will work.)

EDIT: Well, either Ustream uses some proprietary program like Flash, or it's just confusing. Either way, it's not going to be any help.
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11-09-2012, 04:52 PM
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http://www.livestream.com/userguide/?tit...Livestream
Does any of this help you?

Unfortunately, regardless of whether it's Livestream, UStream or Justin.tv, these things are a real pain on Linux platforms.

EDIT: Maybe something here is helpful too"

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1900963
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11-09-2012, 06:23 PM
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The first link seems to only give information specific to those programs, I don't see anything useful to me. (EDIT: maybe that address mentioned in the first one might be useful)

The big problem is if it's possible, I don't know where to stream to. There's no mention of an IceCast server, an address for UDP, or anything, as far as I can tell. It just tells you to download their program.

EDIT: Actually, I don't see how to even create a live video "post"...
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11-09-2012, 07:26 PM
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#30
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If it's like Flash Live Media Encoder, the address would look something like what's on this page;

http://www.livestream.com/userguide/inde...Livestream

So it'd look something like
"rtmp://publish.livestream.com/mogulus/ncfc2011/username=yourusername
/password=yourpassword/isAutoLive=true"

Also, maybe this FFMPEG guide might be helpful:
http://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/wiki/StreamingGuide
11-09-2012, 07:59 PM
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#31
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Like I said in the edit of my last post, I just realized that I don't even see how to start streaming on LiveStream, when I say I want to make a live video "post" it just directs me to either paring a broadcaster or downloading their program (Windows, Mac, or iPhone).
11-09-2012, 08:11 PM
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#32
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I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, then.

I've used FLME and I connect to the rtmp URL (with proper connection info) and then start streaming. If that doesn't work with the applications you have than it probably just plain wouldn't work. :(
11-09-2012, 08:43 PM
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How do you make the channel, though?
11-09-2012, 08:45 PM
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#34
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Livestream channels are made on Livestream's site but they don't really involve using the Procaster apps or anything, IIRC - you just jot down info in html and there it is.

If you're referring to NCFC specifically: the channel is ncfc2011. Since we're not online yet you could theoretically do your testing on there.

If you don't want to make a Livestream account, I suppose I could try making a "generic" account specifically for anyone with difficulties making Livestream accounts.
11-09-2012, 09:00 PM
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I created an account, no problem, but I don't get how you start a channel. Unless I'm thinking too hard and channels are created like with IRC (just connect to a nonexisting channel and it gets created)?
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11-09-2012, 10:13 PM
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So... there's two separate Livestream websites.

Well, either I did something wrong when I tried just now or VLC isn't going to work.
11-10-2012, 01:58 AM
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#38
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Ugh..... my computer died out on me before I could basically do anything for my booth. And there's only a day left. What a disaster. :/
11-10-2012, 10:05 AM
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Shoot, if there's only a day left, then I'm running out of time on doing skits. I think I'll just do one for promoting Satellablog and that'll be my last. :(
11-10-2012, 12:10 PM
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Well, rather than going through figuring out how to livestream on Windows, I think I'd rather just use text chat for comments, and show the code using an external service. I've changed my workshop to a chatroom one.

Does anyone know of a service kind of like PasteBin, but that allows live edits? Your World Of Text will work OK, so I guess I'll use that if not (and post the code on PasteBin periodically), but something more like a text editor, maybe that offers syntax highlighting, would be better.
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11-10-2012, 12:44 PM
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